Median prices continued to trend upwards in 2019, increasing 9.9% over 2019. Could you please explain how you adjusted for inflation? $865,411 was the average sold price for listings in Seattle. (I apologize for not have the exact dates for the recessions, I was hoping to find regional data but just gave up), 1969-75 Boeing lays off half of its work force and the nation enters a recession and the oil crisis. Median income has not changed much, but the median income of the home buying class has increased significantly. Thank you very much for your work in helping us all make an informed decision about the housing market. There are thousands of abandoned homes across the country with weeds in the front yard that are still on the banks books at 2006 values. Seattle literally ran out of land during this period. Note, however, that both doubles took about the same length of time: 15 years. Upgrades are the first thing to be put off when companies are tightening their belts (even before the lay-offs start), and what consumer is going to buy a new high-priced video game player or MP3 player when they can’t refinance their home and are struggling to make the mortgage payments? Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo & others have all announced plans to expand in Seattle. Seattle property is falling at a rate of 16% annualized on a $/sq foot right now (7.5% off peak in < 6 months) and A.G., Before-Grunge and After-Grunge. The median monthly gross residential rent in Seattle, WA (the Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue metro area) was $1,621 in 2019according to the Census ACSsurvey.1Average gross rent in Seattle was $1,609 in 2019. There Even adjusted for inflation, the median home price in 1940 would only have been $30,600 in 2000 dollars, according to … In my opinion the doubling between 200,000 and 400,000 is way over represented, and it makes the doubling in price between 100,000 and 200,000 look smaller. On average, American home prices have recovered nearly all … As you know from our previous conversations, my real estate research only goes back to the 1960’s and like you, I agree that is the beginning of the “modern” housing market in this area. In Seattle, the median price for a house hit $700,000 for the first time. they’re poor and don’t have 20% down payments). Notice that previous year-over-year price declines have never exceeded 5% for more than a year and a half. This is why we are seeing the most recent vintage mortgages have the highest delinquencies (i.e. However, I think it very clearly shows the limited utility of economic data. 4. Note - beginning in November 2019, these tables will be available only in Excel format. I wonder if that was because of the new 1996 land use Regs., if things were left alone to progress naturaly you might have seen a longer step, not just a breather in the mid ’90’s, – somting to tink about, you do alot of good investigative stuff, though of expanding your service, I’d like some work done on my family tree. How much does it cost to buy a house in Seattle, WA? Interesting the concept that “the market will never go down” given the span of 2006-2009. King County Affordability: 1950-2007 | Seattle Bubble — News & discussion about real estate & the housing bubble in the Seattle area. The average apartment rent in Seattle is $2,087. I am not saying the market won’t stagnate for a few years. I have no idea what I accidentally clicked to get to this piece, but I’d like to see the first graph updated, and it would be nice to have inflation stats superimposed on it too since that’s what caused the run up in the 70s. Sure likes like Robert Shiller’s historical chart for nationwide prices after inflation! Ownership costs are now well above renting. The S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller 20-city home price index in the US rose 6.6% from a year earlier in September of 2020, following a 5.3% increase in the previous month and well above market expectations of a 5.1% gain. Then they leveled off. The inflation measurements are starting to reflect the rate cuts earlier this year. (All this when inflation is pushing 5%.) Is it any shocker that now that the funny money has dried up, housing prices are now turning negative YOY? Redfin Compete Score ™ 0. What would be particularly interesting is to see how the use of various mortgage types for the Seattle region track over time as well. $960,673,123 was the total closed sales volume for Snohomish County. I’ll believe that until proved otherwise. The Survey of Construction does not collect sales information for multifamily buildings or for existing homes. My investors are getting $200-300 more on their homes now in North Tacoma and Federal Way. This graph depicts the average ticket price for Seattle Seahawks games in the National Football League from 2006 to 2019. So, here’s an updated look at the long-term trends in local home prices and […]. Check out houses for sale in Seattle… Why would anyone want to buy? Nice post, but I think you need to check some of your “facts”: If so, that could leave our real-esate market much more fragile, and much more vulnerable to any kind of economic stress that may occur than it has previously been. So a lot of them start walking – either as a response to some crisis, or just because they don’t see the point of feeding the alligator any more. DJO, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. The median listing price per square foot was $503. Median home prices keep getting used in analyses here, but I never see any attention paid to the structural improvements to the average Seattle home. Wall Street won’t like seeing their profits getting inflated away, and at some point they’ll start pressuring the Fed to ease off the cheap money. The Fed will be loath to keep slashing rates when the CPI hits the 5% mark. FROM 1990 ON, BANK DEREGULATION (UNFETTERRED CAPITALISM) CAUSED THE ENDLESS REAL ESTATE BUBBLE TO TODAY’S SUBPRIME MESS. How much have fed rate cuts driven them down so far? Buyers used this new found buying power to run out and bid up home prices to previously unaffordable levels — because with low interest rates they were now “affordable.”. Real Estate prices in Seattle went up almost linearly [if you take a regression analysis average] from the time of Reagan’s deregulation of banks in 1990 to today’s 2008 subprime mess [caused by Reagan’s bank deregulation]. Sources: The significant down turns that were mentioned were associated with significant economic issues. Clearly, your eyes are only trained to see misleading two-dimensional graphs. Flies in the face of reality and we are setting up nicely for an even bigger bust that will occur in slow motion over the next 5-8 years. Foreclosures are mainly determined by the amount of equity home-owners have. I agree Newbie, the correlation would be fascinating. My money continues to travel to Nevada. But “temporary” irrational deviations sure can last longer than we think they should. The chart on this page estimates the market value of today's median-priced house over time. Their graph of local home prices going back to 1984 was interesting, but I was frustrated by two things. One of the last great products for us investors! The stable period from 1945-1975 is more probably the true norm. The primary basis for the housing price appreciation is that of the central bank policies of artificially low interest rates and currency debasement. Just no 500 Realty there…………..YET! It is less biased than the mean (average) price since it is not as heavily influenced by small number of very highly priced homes. You have to look at the actual facts on the ground in order to understand what is happening in any particular market. Seattle Housing Market Information. The following data are for new, single-family houses only. Home prices increased in King County 16 percent between December 2016 and December 2017 to $585,000. Seattle Housing Market Trends. fed cutting rates hasn’t done a thing. You may use these HTML tags and attributes:
. I think this was fueled by a combination of low interest rates and loose lending policies. Since the vast majority of all homes are purchased with a mortgage, the cost of borrowing money, the ability to borrow money, and the ability to make payments are major influences limiting how far prices can rise. We could easily correct for this extra-long run-up by having just 3-5 years of price declines in the 5-15% range, sparing us the 35-year stagnation. The median price for existing homes ($233,000) and the median price for new construction homes ($430,244) are both up about 6% from June 2019. Will problems at the low end bleed up to the high end? I am rambling now….bye. Great graph Tim… I would also like to see the interest rate along side. Looking at home price data this far back shows us a few interesting things. I agree with your uncharted waters reference and I look forward to the affordability post. 1. Over the last three months, the price of a home in the Seattle area dropped by 3.3 percent, the largest decrease in the U.S.The median price of a house in Seattle is now $750,000. Seattle has changed enormously since the the late 80s. PDF versions will no longer be produced. 100. This generally will affect the lowest end of the real estate market. – check the link on Tim’s radarlogic post. In short, stating that job creation will keep prices from going down is completely false if the jobs being created don’t pay enough to buy property. The fed rate is likely to fall another 2 points before the end of the year. The Seattle median house value has grown by 68.49% since 2000. Based on past history, after a “correction” period in which home prices drop to try to get buyers back, we reach a “flat” period where this is very little appreciation or depreciation. 3.0% was the interest rate Median Sale Price. Most of the sub-prime mortgages have now reset. When the price of those 1000 sq ft boxes in Federal Way go down by half, you don’t think that’ll impact 1200 sq ft boxes in Renton and Burien? In October 2020, the median list price of homes in Seattle, WA was $735K, trending up 5.1% year-over-year. I’d like to see a graph for San Diego, Phoenix, Miami, etc. Homes have gotten significantly larger and nicer since 1992. This fellow is probably not around anymore but I was searching for historic Seattle home prices and came across this. Trailing house price index data provided by Standard & Poors. Let’s look at the three “steps” from 1968 to 1997. Past results are no guarantee of future performance. What a mess!! The following data are for new, single-family houses only. Also, if someone is not in the home buying class, it means they’re renting. You are going to have to produce some evidence. are too many new variables tossed into the mix, not only here in the U.S., but also on a global scale. 2. But I think we all know that…. Most of the sub-prime mortgages have now reset. Latest quarterly, median, existing, single-family home price provided by the National Association of Realtors. Median Sale Price. Don’t bother citing Tim’s employment study because it is majorly flawed. Could it be that Cobain and his cohorts put Seattle on the road to un-affordability? Because homes are a large investment, home prices are also used as a proxy for household wealth. The indices are calculated from data on repeat sales of single-family homes, an approach developed by economists Case, Shiller and Allan Weiss who served as the CEO [of 'Case Shiller Weiss'] from that company's 1991 inception until its sale to Fiserv in 2002. For yet another example of just how disconnected house prices here are from reality — I just signed a lease for a house in Bryant, a nice brick tudor for $1850. 2) Weakness in the housing market has little to do with “sub-prime” or “resets”. Was the run-up in home prices due more to Seattle buyers having bigger INCOMES, or was it due to their having bigger LINES OF CREDIT? Graph and download economic data for Median Sales Price of Houses Sold for the United States (MSPUS) from Q1 1963 to Q3 2020 about median, sales, housing, and USA. When a home-owner without equity runs into any trouble, they can’t just sell or re-finance, and the only option is foreclosure. Thankfully, Mr. Tytler pointed me toward a source of home price information that goes further back than the available NWMLS reports we have previously relied on at Seattle Bubble. Banks are seeing inflation in the future and pricing mortgages accordingly. Historically a house in the US cost around 3 times the median annual income. Seattle’s economy will benefit disproportionately from strength in the non-US global economy. The only areas that are going to survive this bubble are the areas that didn’t appreciate faster than their historical averages. Does this really mean anything? People here who are insinuating that the market is going to drop 40-50% are just smoking crack. Optomism is not the answer if you are about to walk off a cliff. If they mark them to market, then boom the bank goes bust on the required capital ratios. Compare to US housing market trends. 1 year 3 years 5 years. Studio apartments are the smallest and most affordable, 1-bedroom apartments are closer to the average, while 2-bedroom apartments and 3-bedroom apartments offer a more generous square footage. Unemployment Rate: 4.8% . Homes have gotten significantly larger and nicer since 1992. The vast majority of sub-prime loans have already reset. Doubtful. Drop: Fall ’90 to Fall ’92 – -5% in 2 years With 744,955 people, 323,446 houses or apartments, and a median cost of homes of $774,806, Seattle house prices are not only among the most expensive in Washington, Seattle real estate also is some of the most expensive in all of America. Particularly when the banks and feds start to unload the rest of the foreclosures from the last bust. – “Conforming Jumbos” won’t help much if at all. Seattle property is falling at a rate of 16% annualized on a $/sq foot right now (7.5% off peak in < 6 months). This will effectively lower interest rates. The inflation measurements are starting to reflect the rate cuts earlier this year. 1-Year Appreciation Rate: 9.1%. I do believe that homes are over valued but I do not see an extended period of decline. My point was that the job creation at M$, Yahoo, Google, Amazon, et al is not $150k/yr jobs. Personally I think that’s a lot more likely. The average price of a house in Auckland is now $1 million, up 16.3 percent in just a year, new data shows. What I want to know is: which is it? Rent Prices in Canadian Cities. Most of the weakness in the market will come from the 1000 sq ft boxes in drainage ditches on the south side. Housing Market Trends in Seattle, WA. What you’re saying, indirectly, is that the home buying class has shrunk significantly. But John, isn’t housing just going to keep shooting up indefinitely with double-digit percentage price increases after this “buying opportunity” plateau has run its course? Peak to start of next big run-up: 7.5 years, Step 2: They said NOTHING of downside risk nor did the mention the wild historic jumps in real estate prices in recent history that have justified their figures are over. Share of Listings With a Price Cut: The number of unique properties with a list price at the end of the month that’s less than the list price at the beginning of the month, divided by the number of unique properties with an active listing at some point during the month. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ft/20080219/bs_ft/fto021920081334359078;_ylt=AozoX8V3CwKFRV6c_RfR1f0E1vAI. Prices jump up, flatten out, jump up again, flat out, and so on. $747,000 +6.9% year-over-year # of Homes Sold. America used to be #1, we’ve plummetted to #7 in technology innovation. Its going to be a long bumpy road the years ahead. Sales of Existing Single Family Homes (percent changes only) Median Prices of Existing Single Family Homes. If this theory of mine is true, then a contraction in credit will negatively impact real-estate more than either job losses or population declines. How much more cheap crap can we buy?? Mortgage rates hit a 40-year low in 2003. Seattle’s economy diversified and grew at an unprecedented rate. Average home value in Georgia: $208,833 If Seattle keeps on growing there will continue to be pricing pressure put on land. Mike: Sure but we already saw something unprecedented: national price declines without a recession. Inslee's Safe Start proclamation: Coronavirus.wa.gov. This ratio is calculated using household size adjusted median contract rent for Seattle. superimposed on the one above to see how they compare. […] between the attitude in Seattle in 2006 and the attitude in Australia at present. I’m at a dead end after my fathers father. At the very least, I think this chart is evidence of that. Nice post, but I think you need to check some of your “facts”: 31. 5. I think not! I realize that for many people, that income level is something they can only dream of, but at the same time it’s not going to be buying you a house anywhere in Seattle. (1993-2007 Home Prices: NWMLS) – 2007 vintages of subprime are worse than previous vintages, so more defaults on less volume = about the same amount of problems. That’s misleading and you know it. 4. I have predicted home prices would fall about 10-20% from the peak value (depending on neighborhood) and then flatten out. So, the current run-up has basically lasted five times as long as any previous spike in King County. It is the biggest jump in house prices since April of 2018. drive home the fact that the esteemed readership of Seattle Bubble really are looking at the issues from a peculiar, privileged perch. This graph depicts the average ticket price for Seattle Seahawks games in the National Football League from 2006 to 2019. First, that it was not adjusted for inflation, and second that it did not go back further. In 1980, it was $47,200, and by 2000, it had risen to $119,600. 6. The first thing that jumps out at me is how flat the graph is from 1946 through about 1969. But, alas what are we at. The median rent more accurately depicts rental rates in the middle of the distribution of rents and is thus preferred in the analysis below. I’d add a foot note to this world banking mess causing a horrifying bubble pop; we have a glut of engineers and ITs in America, but at normal salary levels the elites are too cheap to pay. Drop: Spring ’79 to Fall ’85 – -20% in 6.5 years Agreed. Much like home prices tend to be on the rise, the price of rent is also rising in many Canadian cities. Bubbles vs. I call it a “stair step” pattern. It will take another 20 months for the Alt-A mortgages to reset. I saw the shamelessly promotional NAR tv ad this weekend that proclaimed that real estate values just about double every ten years and that we need to contact a realitor right away to get in on this bonanza. • There have been few times when local prices declined. 1-Year Job Growth Rate: 3.6%. The ensuing discussion seems like more of the usual for this thread, but a few comments, like. I also think that interest rates will play a big role in how the graph shapes up from here on out. Seattle's median house price was $400,000, down 7 percent from a year earlier, more than 8 percent from December and 20 percent from its high of $501,000 in August 2007. The median home price is a common measurement used to compare real estate prices in different markets and periods. Please read the rules before posting a comment. Seattle Housing Market Information. ah. And OFHEO has been clear on 2 things – they’re going not rolling these into the existing pools, so there is likely to still be a jumbo premium, and they’re going to be pretty restrictive on requirements so most will not quailfy. The sad fact is that over the last 8 years, the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer. 6.25 on a 30 year par.? The greater the number of home-owners with 100% financing the greater the default rate. Unfortunately, I suspect there is a much higher correlation between the availability of credit and housing appreciation than there is between jobs or population growth. Home prices will remain flat for a few years as income levels increase and housing supply levels decrease. The Fed will be loath to keep slashing rates when the CPI hits the 5% mark. China will keep on taking jobs from Boeing in exchange for big orders (Boeing’s obligations are to shareholders, not employees). #33: Folks; we are all one board meeting away from loosing our jobs. Jump: Fall ’68 to Spring ’69 – 11% in 6 months While we keep spending billions in military might, the rest of the world is moving forward technologically. I suspect that graphs made to represent those areas would look very similar. (Inflation Data: Bureau of Labor Statistics – Consumer Price Index). 1,259 homes sold this month; 1.6 months of inventory available in Seattle; 21 was the average days on market for a home to sell in Seattle Note - beginning in November 2019, these tables will be available only in Excel format. • Home price declines are very rare. The jumbo loan limit is about to expand to $500-700K in Seattle. The median home price in San Diego County was $542,000, a rise of 2.5 percent in a year. Even though homes are relatively illiquid, their value can be tapped via home equity loans as happened with great frequency during the housing bubble. That's far more than you'd have forked over 10, 20 or … Seattle is not one of those areas, this graph demonstrates that perfectly. United States Housing Market. 19 was the average days on market for a home to sell in Snohomish County. During this period the excess housing inventory is wrung out of the market until eventually the supply-demand curves tips into the seller’s favor and we are off to the races again with another housing boom. Regionally, prices were much higher. Thanks for the data Tim. All other factors being equal (which of course they aren’t), one could logically conclude that the upcoming period of dropping or flat prices will also last five times as long as previous steps, meaning we would be looking at 32-48 years of flat prices on the horizon. They rank a subpar #44 and #59 [even Japan is only #18]….can’t see from these pragmatic facts why we go to the east for savior labor in IT? The market then “peaks” out and pulls back slightly form the peak value as home sellers are forced to cut prices to attract the dwindling number of buyers. I think you are working off of a few misconceptions. You will never see a major housing price crash here. Today with more risky loans it may only take a mild recession to put a significant number of people into foreclosure. – Based on data I have seen and shared, job growth has zero correlation with home price appreciation. Thanks for giving me credit for the “stair step” explanation of home price appreciation in the Puget Sound region. I, too, would like to see income/afford ability data overlaid. $747,000 +6.9% year-over-year. In October 2020, the median list price of homes in Seattle, WA was $735K, trending up 5.1% year-over-year. Seattle Washington Residential Rent and Rental Statistics. Median Sale Price: The median price at which homes across various geographies were sold. When you have a high deman for housing — such as the one caused by lown mortgage rates — the inventory of homes for sale drops until it becomes a “Sellers Market.” It stays that way until the supply of homes for sale starts to get too big and/or demand from home buyers starts to decline. Nationwide, the median is now $725,000 - up 19.8 percent - … The S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller 20-city home price index in the US rose 6.6% from a year earlier in September of 2020, following a 5.3% increase in the previous month and well above market expectations of a 5.1% gain. It makes sense on a cash flow basis for someone to buy, so you get a steady stream of new buyers. If by the rest of world, you mean China and India, I don’t want to disappoint you, but those countries aren’t much better in technological innovation than Mexico. Assuming no significant recession, my prediction is a modest price drop, 5-15%, followed by a few years on minimal growth turning in to modest growth of 2-6%. Seattle Real Estate Investing 2016. Eventually the inventory of homes for sale gets bigger and bigger and the housing market becomes a “Buyers Market” which is where we are in the cycle today. This is especially apparent when one looks at the inflation adjusted Case-Shiller data starting in I believe 1890, and remaining essentially flat until the 1980’s when it heads for the sky. The median home price on the Eastside just hit $880,000 and in Seattle the median home price is $722,000, according to the Northwest Multiple Listing Service. Most of this job creation is lower level work paying in the $60-80k range and is mostly going to recent college grads (i.e. Coincidence? – Based on data I have seen and shared, job growth has zero correlation with home price appreciation. In addition the average home is selling for 1.6% higher than it is listed as. This was an unusally shorty “step” because the housing boom was triggered by historically low interest rates. Gee, a guess Seattle’s not such an exception after all. The median sale price was $756K. I know this was a lot of work. I am not saying the market won’t stagnate for a few years. This is very useful information. […] I posted last week’s 61-year home price history, I promised a follow-up on affordability. We won’t know what the local median is until that is done. Median home prices keep getting used in analyses here, but I never see any attention paid to the structural improvements to the average Seattle home. Median Home Price: $420,500. But the builders are still producing houses at an accelerated rate due to high prices. – 2007 vintages of subprime are worse than previous vintages, so more defaults on less volume = about the same amount of problems. As of 2010-2014, median price of a house in Seattle is $437,400, which is much higher than the state average of $257,200 and is much higher than the national average of $175,700. I definitely smell blood and will continue to scoop GEMS where I see them. United States home values have gone up 6.6% over the past year and Zillow predicts they will rise 7.9% in the next year. “If you have an EECS degree, earning $60k right out of college is pretty much the norm. Two doors down, a house that is nearly indistinguishable from it is listed for sale for $730K. Instead, after a very short breather, prices only begin to skyrocket even further up. This could show that Hawaiians are paying down their mortgages at a rapid pace, but could also be a product of the island's desirability among tourists, vacationers and wealthy mainland homebuyers who are driving up home prices. (1946-1992 Home Prices: Seattle Real Estate Research Report) I’ll believe that until proved otherwise. Tim said -“after a very short breather” I am sure many people put down less than 20% so it will require even less time”. The jumbo loan limit is about to expand to $500-700K in Seattle. Now, we are going “back to the future.” Lending standards are reverting back to sane levels and that has reduced demand for housing. Check mortgage rates lately? Get latest updates, multilingual resources, and details of Gov. .not bad anyway in my book. What is unusally about the recent history of this market is that the flat period of the early 2000’s was unusually short and the “up” period was unusually long. So, here it […], […] King County Home Prices: 1946-2007 […]. […] The overall decline in this forecast would put Seattle’s Case-Shiller HPI at slightly below 4% annual appreciation since the start of the index in January 1990, which incidentally is about where it landed in early 1997 at the end of a seven-year period of relatively stagnant prices following the late ’80s mini-bubble (for a long-term view of Seattle-area home prices check the post King County Home Prices: 1946-2007). 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